Saturday, November 6, 2010

What type of Conservative are you

Yesterday's slug fest ... I mean debate on the politics of sex got me thinking about the different factions in the Conservative party.  So I started doing some research and it appears that others have put a great deal of thought into this. 

Here's what I found from ,

There is wide debate within the conservative movement over how differing ideologies can fall under one common category. Certain conservatives may doubt the legitimacy of others, but there are arguments for each view. The following list attempts to clarify the discussion, focusing on conservative politics in the US. Some may feel the list falls short because conservatives can find themselves divided when attempting to describe themselves using these definitions. Admittedly, categories and definitions are subjective, but these are the most widely accepted.



1. Crunchy Conservative


National Review commentator Rod Dreher first coined the term "crunchy conservative" in 2006 to describe his personal ideology, according to NPR.org. Dreher says "crunchy cons" are conservatives “who stand outside the conservative mainstream,” and tend to focus more on family-oriented, culturally conservative concepts such as being good stewards of the natural world and avoiding materialism in everyday life. Dreher describes crunchy cons as those “who embrace a counter-cultural, yet traditional conservative lifestyle." On his blog, Dreher says crunchy cons are as mistrustful of big business as they are big government.


2. Cultural Conservative



Politically, cultural conservatism is often confused with social conservatism. In the US, the term often incorrectly describes members of the religious right because the two share ideologies on social issues. Christian conservatives tend to like being described as cultural conservatives, because it implies that America is a Christian nation. True cultural conservatives worry less about religion in government and more about using politics to prevent fundamental changes to US culture. The goal of cultural conservatives is to preserve and maintain the American way-of-life both at home and abroad.


3. Fiscal Conservative


Libertarians and Constitutionalists are natural fiscal conservatives due to their desire to reduce government spending, pay off the national debt and shrink the size and scope of government. Nevertheless, the Republican Party is most often credited with creating the fiscal conservative ideal, despite the big-spending tendencies of the most recent GOP administrations. Fiscal conservatives seek to deregulate the economy and lower taxes. Fiscal conservative politics has little or nothing to do with social issues, and it is therefore not uncommon for other conservatives to identify themselves as fiscal conservatives.


4. Neoconservative


The neoconservative movement sprouted in the 1960s in response to the counter-culture movement. It was later bolstered by disillusioned liberal intellectuals of the 1970s. Neoconservatives believe in a diplomatic foreign policy, stimulating economic growth by lowering taxes and finding alternative ways to deliver public welfare services. Culturally, neoconservatives tend to identify with traditional conservatives, but stop short of providing guidance on social issues. Irving Kristol, co-founder of Encounter magazine is largely credited with founding the neoconservative movement.


5. Paleoconservative


As the name suggests, paleoconservatives emphasize a connection with the past. Like neoconservatives, paleoconservatives tend to be family-oriented, religious-minded and opposed to the vulgarity permeating modern culture. They are also opposed to mass immigration and believe in the complete withdrawal of US military troops from foreign countries. Paleoconservatives claim author Russell Kirk as their own, as well as political ideologues Edmund Burke and William F. Buckley Jr. Paleoconservatives believe they are the true heirs to the US conservative movement and are critical of other "brands" of conservatism.


6. Social Conservative


Social conservatives adhere strictly to a moral ideology based on family-values and religious traditions. For US social conservatives, Christianity -- often Evangelical Christianity -- guides all political positions on social issues. US social conservatives are mostly right-wing and hold firmly to a pro-life, pro-family and pro-religion agenda. Thus, abortion and gay rights are often lightning rod issues for social conservatives. Social conservatives are the most recognized group of conservatives on this list due to their strong ties to the Republican Party.

So this is obviously written with an American take but I think it is pretty easy to project this on Canadians as well. 

But I would like to add another group!

7.  Closeted Conservative (or the CloCon) - A CloCon is an average sort of Canadian who really doesn't get very involved in politics - they are not ideologues.  They are just folk who want to keep more of their pay cheques, keep criminals off their streets, make sure that kids are fed and the roads are safe.  They have solid Conservative values but they are kind of embarrassed to admit they have conservative values because they are afraid that their friends will think that they are religious fanatics or cold heartless SOBs.  

I know many CloCons.  Acquaintances who come up to me after a dinner party or some other gathering and tell me that they agree with me but could never say what I say because of the backlash they would get with their other friends or coworkers.

Seriously.

I think that is one of the reasons I spend a lot of time criticizing SoCons when it comes to matters of abortion, gay marriage, sex education, contraception and prostitution.  SoCons are driven by religious zealotism.  A CloCon is not.  They tend to be live and let live sorts. Follow the rules of society and mind your manners.

I think there are more CloCons than any other group.  In fact I am pretty sure of it.  Take a look at membership numbers in each of the EDAs.  At election time the CPC candidate always gets more votes than there are official members in the EDA.  What does that tell you?

It tells me that many conservatives are only willing to admit their political allegiance behind a sheet of corrugated cardboard on a sheet of paper that is folded and can't be traced back to them.

Classic CloCon behaviour.

So what kind of conservative are you?

12 comments:

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  2. Then there are libertarians and/or Ayn Rand admirers who don't have much of a home in Canada. I guess they can go in the neo-conservative group. But they might be less isolationist than the U.S. libertarians.

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  3. There is a distinction between Traditionalist Conservatism and Paleoconservatism. You included major traditionalist conservative figures under the heading of Paleo-Conservative.

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  4. I didn't include anything under the Paleoconservatives. As I stated at the beginning of the post, this is an article written by Justin Quinn. It was his statement. He has a wonderful blog - check it out at http://usconservatives.about.com/

    Excellent site! Worth reading - no matter what kind of conservative you are!

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  5. Closeted Conservative... it sounds like a person with both specific conservative values and either self-esteem issues or laziness.

    Just take a good long look at what you wrote:

    "doesn't get very involved..."
    "kind of embarrassed..."
    "afraid that their friends will think..."
    " backlash they would get with their other friends or coworkers..."
    "can't be traced back to them..."

    None of these factors have anything to do with political leanings. Everybody has different values. Some people value family over their job. Some people value the freedom of being single over the security of being in a good relationship.

    From the original list you put above I'd say you're a NeoCon who places value in appearance over making a public stand for what you believe. You know what you believe in. But your first concern is, "What will other people think?"

    I used to be like that until I realized that the people worth your time are the ones who will listen to you whether they agree or not. I have a lot of far-far-left friends. I tell them my opinion and yet we are still friends.

    As from your last post, yes, Conservatives tend to spend a little too much time obsessing over other people f____ing. But Canadians tend to spend way too much time obsessing over what other people will think.

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  6. Surecure - let it go already. You're still fighting over a blog that I wrote a day ago? Are you angry because I was able to clearly demonstrate where you were wrong?

    Give your head a shake. You are not very good at observation and analysis are you? Do you have a reading comprehension impairment?

    If I cared what other people think, would I write the stuff I do write about? Your logic completely fails SureCure.

    Just let it go already. Seriously, I am getting personal emails from other conservative bloggers mocking you for the idiot you are appearing to be.

    I get it. You are a new blogger trying to get attention. Trying to make a name for yourself but really you aren't accomplishing what you think you are.

    You seem to think that taking me on will elevate you. It won't because you aren't very good at taking me on.

    Listen, why don't you practice going after lefties ( I suggest Elizabeth May - she is a very easy target) and once you've had some practice at making insightful comments and witty barbs, come back to me.

    Seriously, just let it go. Play nice on the blogs of other conservatives. Say what you want on yours, but remember that what you are saying here really says more about you then what it does about me.

    You will note, that I have never gone onto other Conservatives blogs and insulted them or picked a fight. Their blog is like their home. I respect their space. I don't posture and grandstand in a colleagues forum. I have more class than that.

    Again, your actions and words here, say a lot more about you then it does about me.

    If you feel the need to continue this discussion, then please contact me at rightchik@gmail.com.

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  7. I don't think Libertarians can be grouped under the "Fiscal Conservative" brand because they DO advocate heavily on social issues, not just fiscal issues. Although Libertarians and Social Conservatives are often at odds over social issues. Libertarians are therefore more a group unto themselves.

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  8. RedEnsign - excellent point. Perhaps the author of the peice, Justin Quinn, will reconsider

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  9. I'd rather stay undefined, or even self-defined. I retain the right to change my position with new information and insight.

    I'm not sure I fit into any of those categories all of the time. Most of the time is Libertarian though and I do try to find common ground with any group.

    I am out of the closet though. I've heard enough crap come out of leftist mouths I'm not worried how shockingly good sense will sound in their ears.

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  10. I see more and more people looking at things from a "libertarian-conservative" viewpoint, but, like me, they're rapidly becoming disillusioned by the nonsense that ALL parties spew; no matter how much the Conservatives tell you that they're in favour of lower taxes, less government intrusion in our lives, and simply leaving us alone to pursue our own happiness, they are JUST as likely to screw us over for their own political ends as the LIEberals are. Right now, I'm parked with Harper, but my patience is wearing thinner by the day.

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  11. Actually I'm a classic liberal... IE I could care less what you do as long as you don't do it in the streets and scare the horses, also it must be between consenting adults, and I don't have to watch, and while you are doing it, keep your bloody hands out of my pockets please.

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  12. I HAVE AN ANSWER
    for 30 years us dems have been getting our butts kicked all over the ring. not because we have not done great things, but because we have not been able to explain it to the american voters. when you ask a republican what they stand for they say "less taxes, smaller government, and cutting spending" if you ask the same question to a democrat you get a rambling all over the place answer that makes no sense to anyone.

    I have given this MUCH thought and i have developed a republicanesque answer to the question what democrats stand for. I hope you will give it a listen and let me know what you think of it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQfhJ8PTudQ

    ps. Democrats ARE for a government of whatever size is required to protect its citizens and make their lives better, and we ARE for spending to rebuild our crumbling nation....we need to STOP being so damn afraid to say so. we are so terrified that if we say we want a government to do things for us or we want to spend to build that some super force will show up and kill us all.....the truth is MOST people are for what we are for, we just have not been able to explain it in a way that will be accepted...my video does that.

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